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Der Uhu:
@ Kains Rache: Isn't it a contradiction in terms? You said, that people hate us because of WWII and because we are germans altough we were not even born then. Right! And so why should these people do it differently with the Americans. I disagree with you when you say that everybody can distinguish between America and it's government. I met some people who are Anti-American. And I have to confess that sometimes, when I heard another lie of George Bush I thought "Bloody Americans!" even though I know that this is wrong.

That was different after 9/11. The support for the US was overwhelmingly after that day. Every German felt with the Americans and the victims. Every German! Especially me because I saw the second plane crashing into the tower live in the TV! I spent the whole day watching the news. And everybody was shocked. It was a great time of friendship between our two countries. It led even to the decision to send german soldiers to Afghanistan. And redghost, one thing I can tell you: After WWII going to war is NOT an easy decision for Germany at all!!!

The reasons why people are annoyed by the government are obvious: the lies, the imerialistic attitude, the arrogance. You know what I am speaking about. If only 20% of Fahrenheit 9/11 is true Bush should actually burn on the bonfire!!! But he isn't...

And that is the point. Bush lies, manipulates, kills innocent people, holds propaganda speeches and so on and so on...and what happens? He has great support in his country. After the republicans convention he is ahead of Kerry. If there were elections tomorrow he would WIN. I guess that makes people think what type of people the americans must be, if they elect this guy again, which is I think an important reason for all the prejudices.

If you say that people hate America you are only right when it comes to certain peoples like arabians. THEY do, yes, but germans do NOT HATE America, perhaps they tend to be sometimes overcritical, to have prejudices and to react huffish. At most some dislike the US. But I really can't say that they hate the US. I did not experience that at all!

Most Americans I met were actually lovely people and very nice. And except of some silly questions about Germany  :D  I got along with them very well. And the Americans are pretty much like us. I mean they are not arabians or chinese with a completely different cultural backround. So there is actually no reason why we should not work together. Except of your government, SO GET RID OF IT!  (http://www.mainzelahr.de/smile/frech/789.gif)

Greetings
Der Uhu

redghost:

--- Zitat von: "KainsRache" ---I don't think anyone hates the U.S. in general. We all know that not you made this silly war, that this was the work of Mr. Bush. But it's not easy making a difference between the U.S. (the people) and the U.S. (your president), I think you can compare it to german history. We didn't fight in the WWII, it was before we were born. But many ppl talk about us as if we were the Nazis, doing cruel things.
I hope that was not too heavy, but I think it's the same in some way...
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I agree with you, I just hope this election coming up will get Bush out of office.

Eisbär:

--- Zitat von: "redghost" ---I agree with you, I just hope this election coming up will get Bush out of office.
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You just hope?

It's also Your responsibility. Do Your part, too.
So: go to the elections and vote!
Just my opinion...

Lars

schneeball:

--- Zitat ---It's also Your responsibility. Do Your part, too.
So: go to the elections and vote!
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The U.S. electoral system isn't that simple. Voting is only effective if you live in a state that is dominated by your party, which means that if you didn't vote, your party would still win.

Also, we have an electoral college that decides who the Prez & Vice Prez are going to be. The slate of electors who you choose are not required to vote for the candidate you want. They can change their mind at any time. In America, presidential and vice presidential candidates aren't required to win a majority of the popular vote, as in a direct election, (Bush is a good example of a president who lost the popular vote, but still won the election). They only need to win a majority of electoral votes. The total number of electors allowed in each state, varies according to the number of house reresentatives in that state. Curently, California has 55 electors, and states like Vermont, Oklahoma, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska and Wyoming only have three each. So if every single person in the last six states that I mentioned voted for a Democratic candidate, they would still receive 37 less electoral votes than California if that state elected a Republican candidate. California, New York, Washington, Oklahoma, Virginia....etc...have already been decided. Other states, like Ohio, are swing states, which means that they can go either way and are heavely contested.

Eisbär:
I know Your voting system...

But the problem in the "democracy" of the U.S. is, imho, that there are too many people, who don't vote.

The last time, the Germans vote there parlament (Bundestag), we had nearly 80% of the people voting.

Last time, the U.S. President was voted, about 50% of the US-citizens were voting...

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