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[EL]

Are you following what is happen in Ukraine?  What do you think about a conflict Russia made in the Crimea region?
 Situation develops very fast!  A Third world war is coming. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26414600
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/

[Graf Edward Zahl]

Are you following what is happen in Ukraine?  What do you think about a conflict Russia made in the Crimea region?
 Situation develops very fast!  A Third world war is coming. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26414600
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/

I hope not, cause that would be pretty bad. Let us hope, that there are some wise people, who could handle this situation. But i dont think, that whether russia nor the european union nor the usa are prepared for a large scale war. It is just too expensive http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/de/fulltext/58809

[EL]

But i dont think, that whether russia nor the european union nor the usa are prepared for a large scale war. It is just too expensive http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/de/fulltext/58809

Yes, it is. First at all it's expensive for Russia! for example, Russian business lost a 60 billion dollars during one hour of working the stock exchange. A general embargo of Russian energy resources - this is the future of Russia.
Nobody can believe Putin will do it, but reality is so.
  Russia concentrated a big military forces on Ukrainian territory : 16000 soldiers,  5500 spec-military personnel, a military equipment, two airports are blocked, several ports are blocked, several Ukrainian military units are occupied.
It's very hard don't make a shot in the situation, when your military unit are occupied! Pacifistic way of solving situation is very complicated now, since a Russia made an ultimatum to several Ukrainian military unites occupied in Crimea. They gave time until 5 am  for a disarmament and surrender. Sure, Ukrainian military on the Crimean peninsula won't surrender!
 Putin came into shit!

[schwarze Katze]

Nun ja, nicht umsonst bezeichnen einige liberal denkende Russen Putin als "Putler", der Typ ist ein grossenwahnsinniger Soziophat.
Wenn ich mal russische Seiten in Internet lese (abgesehen von kritischen Blogs natürlich), dann kann ich echt kotzen, diese ganze nationalistische Phetorik erinnert mich irgendwie an die alte Nazi-Zeitungen, die ich in Rubrik "Zeitungszeugen" gelesen habe.
Bin ich froh, dass meine Familie und ich nicht mehr in Russland leben.

Habe auch Angst, dass dei Situation in die Ukraine explodiert, in Unterschied zu Milošević oder Saddam hat Putin Atombomben.

[Graf Edward Zahl]

Nun ja, nicht umsonst bezeichnen einige liberal denkende Russen Putin als "Putler", der Typ ist ein grossenwahnsinniger Soziophat.
Wenn ich mal russische Seiten in Internet lese (abgesehen von kritischen Blogs natürlich), dann kann ich echt kotzen, diese ganze nationalistische Phetorik erinnert mich irgendwie an die alte Nazi-Zeitungen, die ich in Rubrik "Zeitungszeugen" gelesen habe.
Bin ich froh, dass meine Familie und ich nicht mehr in Russland leben.

Habe auch Angst, dass dei Situation in die Ukraine explodiert, in Unterschied zu Milošević oder Saddam hat Putin Atombomben.

Größenwahnsinn hin oder her, letztendlich haben die Amerikaner die letzten Jahre nicht ernsthaft versucht, eine gute Beziehung zu Russland aufzubauen. Man bedenke einmal den Georgienkonflikt, bei dem ein autokratischer Herrscher (wenn ich mich nicht irre, ich gebe zu es nicht recherchiert zu haben) Russland angreift und Russland daraufhin zurückschießt. Das war nur durch eine entsprechende Unterstützung der Amerikaner möglich - und ist eine ziemliche Provokation bzgl. der russisch - amerikanischen Verhältnisse, denn aus russischer Seite hätte man Georgien damals sicherlich als Brückenkopf betrachten können.
Das gleiche heute in der Ukraine, ich habe gerade vor 2 Tagen gelesen, dass die Amerikaner eine unbekannte Anzahl Marines in die Ukraine schickten, um ihre Botschaft zu schützen - so die offizielle Version. Letzendlich war die Krim - Halbinsel so oder so ein Geschenk der Sowjetunion an die Ukraine, auf der Halbinsel leben hauptsächlich Russen, oder Menschen, die sich mit Russland verbunden fühlen (so kam es mir in der deutschen Berichterstattung zu mindestens vor) und der einzige Grund, warum diese sich nicht an Russland angeschlossen haben ist, dass die Ukraine entsprechende Stützpunkte auf der Halbinsel hat.
Wenn das also stimmt, dann erscheint mit das ganze wieder als Provokation gegenüber Russland gedacht zu sein.
Wenn ich falsche Informationen habe, lass ich mich gern eines besseren belehren.
(I dont know, how to write it in english, so i hope you'll understant it to, if i write it in german)

[colourize]

Schon irgendwie bizarr: Die Außenpolitik Deutschlands (und der übrigen NATO-Staaten) in der sog. "Krim-Krise" gegenüber Russland geht augenscheinlich total an dem vorbei, was die Mehrheit Menschen im eigenen Land, in Russland sowie auf der Krim richtig finden. Kann es sein, dass genau niemand die Haltung unserer Regierung richtig findet, außer vielleicht den Putschisten in Kiew, deren revolutionäres Regime über noch weniger Legitimation verfügt, als das so arg von Merkel kritisierte Referendum auf der Krim? Über die Zugehörigkeit der Krim gabs immerhin eine Abstimmung.... mal im Unterschied zur "Übergangsregierung" in Kiew aus einem Haufen Halunken, korrupten Putschisten und Rechtsradikalen, die der Westen nun vollkommen unkritisch ohne Nachzufragen als neue Partner sieht...

Von Putin kann man halten was man will - aber an seiner Politik in der Krim-Frage kann ich überhaupt nichts Unlauteres erkennen.

[nightnurse]

...wenn wir jetzt mal von den unmarkierten Bewaffneten absehen, die plötzlich auf der Krim umhermarschierten, als noch gar nichts raus war.
Aber sonst: Stelle ich mir die gleichen Fragen

[l3xi]

Are you following what is happen in Ukraine?  What do you think about a conflict Russia made in the Crimea region?
 Situation develops very fast!  A Third world war is coming. 

There are always two sides of the same coin.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/23/putins-dilemma/

[...]
The pattern, of course, is unmistakable. It begins with sanctimonious finger-wagging, economic sanctions and incendiary rhetoric, and quickly escalates into stealth bombings, drone attacks, massive destruction of civilian infrastructure, millions of fleeing refugees, decimated towns and cities, death squads, wholesale human carnage, vast environmental devastation, and the steady slide into failed state anarchy; all of which is accompanied by the stale repetition of state propaganda spewed from every corporate bullhorn in the western media.
[...]
The trouble with Washington’s Ukraine policy, is that it leaves Putin with few options. If he deploys troops to defend ethnic Russian’s in the East, then Obama will demand additional economic sanctions, a “no fly” zone, NATO deployment, and the cutting off of natural gas and oil supplies to Europe. On the other hand, if Putin does nothing, then the attacks against Russian-speaking people in Ukraine (like Sunday’s shootout at an Eastern checkpoint that left three people dead.) will intensify and the US will provide covert military and logistical support to neo-Nazi extremists in the Interior Ministry, just as they have with jihadi terrorists in Syria and Libya. That will hurtle Ukraine into a devastating civil war that will damage Russia’s economy and undermine its national security. Anyway you look at it, Russia loses.

Journalist David Paul summed up the situation in an article titled “Forget the Spin, Putin Is Holding a Losing Hand” at Huffington Post. He said:

    “Brzezinski’s strategic formulation is designed to enhance American power in the region in the long term, and whether Putin finds a way to pull back or chooses to invade is immaterial. Either choice Putin makes… will ultimately serve America’s interests, even if a Ukrainian civil war and an energy crisis in Europe have to be part of the price along the way.” (Huffington Post)

This is Putin’s dilemma, to choose the path that is least likely to exacerbate the situation and plunge Ukraine deeper into the abyss. For now, the choice seems obvious, that is, he should simply sit-tight, resist the temptation to get involved, and avoid doing anything rash. Eventually, his restraint will be seen as strength not weakness and he’ll be able to play a more constructive role in guiding Ukraine back to peace and security. But, for now, he must be patient and wait.

There is no need to believe everything in that article. But I am pretty sure, a lot of the (so called) facts aren't very far away from the truth. Sadly.

[CommanderChaos]

Ich hab gestern einen Kommentar von Jakob Augstein gelesen und frage mich nicht erst seitdem, ob es nicht vielleicht eine gute Idee wäre, die in den 90ern und 2000ern außer Betrieb genommenen ABC-Bunker wieder bereit zu machen. Nur für den Fall.

[Graf Edward Zahl]

A Third world war is coming. 

I fear the same, dear 

I think, the old story of communism and capitalism, of east and west (war & cold war), doesn't ended like we thought while the last 25 years, but lived in the head of the mighty people and their sons or mental sons. It's the old desire for leadership of the world, seems to be innate in man. Because I growed up in the former GDR, I can reproduce the minds of both sides and their rationales.

May be just had lived in the last four to five years in the GDR, but i dont think, that in this conflict any side is rational. I think minds had changed a lot, in the cold war both know, that a simple push of a button would destroy the whole world. It doesn't look like, that they know that today.

[EL]

I'm sorry, I was silent for long time. , but now I will have more time for answer and will try to answer to everybody. 

A Third world war is coming. 

I fear the same, dear 

I think, the old story of communism and capitalism, of east and west (war & cold war), doesn't ended like we thought while the last 25 years, but lived in the head of the mighty people and their sons or mental sons. It's the old desire for leadership of the world, seems to be innate in man. Because I growed up in the former GDR, I can reproduce the minds of both sides and their rationales.

Every leader of country has some elements of alfa-male, it lets him to be a leader in generally, at last they press their desires, their wisdom says to block stupid desire for leadership of the world. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely ( Sir Lord Acton's words, not mine   ) ..,
So, only a leader, who feels the strong forces support him, that country agrees and he will not punished, like a guilty child, then he switches his good sense off. And this is a start of dictatorship, of fascism and other "-ismes"
It was very interesting to read your comment with links about genetic memories of nations. Interestingly, what kind of memories lefts bigger step in Russian nation?  Is it he memory about great Imperium or memory of millions dead at last war?!  It seems, only when first wood/zinc coffins will come back to Russia, people will begin to understand there, it's really a war!

Yesterday Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk tald: “This is a war of maybe a different kind, it is a war that’s undeclared,...But what we’re really dealing with is de-facto a war. You can clearly see that actions taken by the international community haven’t brought results”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-02/dozens-killed-in-ukraine-fire-as-clashes-erupt-in-odessa.html
http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/odessa112.html
But there is the name of such wars: this is a hybrid warfare  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_warfare. This war is a next historical example, when the government of one country goes to agreement with separatists in other country, sends them weapons, money, and, what is very important, - sends them trained organizers of diversionary troops. Of course, Russia use every media possibilities to influence to minds of Russian population in Ukraine (In Crimea there live 85% Russian people, in Donbass region- - about 38%).
Russia had its own radio and TV-canals on the Ukrainian region, and used them for propagandistic aims.
But the propagandistic part of the war touches not only Ukraine - Russian medias - It touched all media elements in maind countries, especially in USA.

There are always two sides of the same coin.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/23/putins-dilemma/

Dear l3xi, the article you cited - it's the clear example of propagandistic Russian mashine. It submitted to "alternative" newsletter, but it is not an alternative independent portal, in contrary, it is pro-Putin media-portal! Just read other articles, my dear. This is the part of war!
Such scheiße flows every day from radio and TV in Russia and post-Soviet regions.
Aim of propaganda: to move the accents for people would forgot that Russia annexed Crimea at hard revolution moment in Ukraina, Russia pays subversive groups for destabilisation situation there, this is Russia, who prepare its army troops for to enter to Ukraine territory. And Russia will do it! (I would like to be wrong!)
MAP: How Ukraine and Russia are moving toward war
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/05/02/map-how-ukraine-and-russia-are-moving-toward-war/

By the way, do you really think there are independent media on the world? I'm sure they aren't.

This is the question how far will move Russia toward European borders, where it will stop? It will "eat" Donbass, Belarus, "Transdniestrian Republic" Moldova? The hungry bear waked up.

What can stop Russia? It's clear, Russia will be blocked with the world community, but will it be enough?

Von Putin kann man halten was man will - aber an seiner Politik in der Krim-Frage kann ich überhaupt nichts Unlauteres erkennen.

@Colourize  About Putin's politic in Crimea question - very smart decision: to swallow Ctimea in the unstable revolution situation in Ukraine.
Do you think Russia want to see a strong state beside? no, Russia wants to annexe as big part of Ukrainian territory as it possible.
I was not against referendum in Crimea peninsula, but to do it formally in an army controlled territory with the breaking of referendum rules- it's unacceptable.

We can discuss about Ukrainian actually government, but we can see people wanted to change Yanukovych government. Do you think shouldn't the world community to talk with an actually Ukrainian authorities? Another question - an elections in Ukraine and who are going to fight for the president side. By me there are not trustworthy candidates..

Nun ja, nicht umsonst bezeichnen einige liberal denkende Russen Putin als "Putler", der Typ ist ein grossenwahnsinniger Soziophat.
...Habe auch Angst, dass dei Situation in die Ukraine explodiert, in Unterschied zu Milošević oder Saddam hat Putin Atombomben.

..Letzendlich war die Krim - Halbinsel so oder so ein Geschenk der Sowjetunion an die Ukraine, auf der Halbinsel leben hauptsächlich Russen, oder Menschen, die sich mit Russland verbunden fühlen und der einzige Grund, warum diese sich nicht an Russland angeschlossen haben ist, dass die Ukraine entsprechende Stützpunkte auf der Halbinsel hat...

It is true, the most inhabitants - Russians. It is true Crimean peninsula was gotten as a present. It was at the soviet union time. But at the time of Soviet Union Belarus get several provinces from Russia. What do you think, have Russia to capture this territory too?
 It is very dangerous tendency to revise the borders. But Russia does exactly so! 
 

[PlumBum]

https://www.freitag.de/autoren/maennlicherlinker/der-medien-gau-von-odessa

http://m.taz.de/Russland-Forscher-ueber-die-Ukrainekrise/!137733;m/

lesen!

[PlumBum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY513HEM3tQ&list=UUr6VVXep3Fs5EOtjMK3i2AQ&feature=share&index=3

hören!

[CubistVowel]

https://www.freitag.de/autoren/maennlicherlinker/der-medien-gau-von-odessa

http://m.taz.de/Russland-Forscher-ueber-die-Ukrainekrise/!137733;m/

lesen!

Danke für die Links. Zitat "Der Freitag": "Da ARD, ZDF und der Rest der Leitmedien mit ihrer selektiven, propagandahaften Berichterstattung fortfahren als ob nichts gewesen wäre [...] – welchen Grund sollte es geben, diesen Medien überhaupt noch irgendwas zu glauben?"

Denen glaube ich schon lange nichts mehr. Schon gar nicht diese kreischige, einstimmige Putin-Hetze. Damit ich nicht falsch verstanden werde: Ich bin bestimmt kein "Putin-Versteher" oder "-Flüsterer" (oder wie auch immer MSM-Kritiker hierzulande gerne diffamiert werden). Ich mag ihn bzw. bestimmte Teile seiner Politik nicht mal. Aber noch weniger mag ich es, von den Mainstreammedien verarscht und manipuliert zu werden.