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Festival Sabotage
olli:
i would like to add that dark wave isn't that big in hamburg any more. ebm and future pop are. of the 50+ people i know in the gothic scene in hamburg, i don't know a single one who would go and either see clan of xymox or das ich. lights of euphoria on the other hand appeals to the ebm/future pop people, who - as i see it - would not pay to go and see clan or ich. and lights by itself is not likely to justify the expanses for a big line-up of bands. you could do checks in various german goth boards and see what those people think of your line-up. i am affraid you will be disapointed :?
astrogirl:
--- Zitat von: "olli" ---i would like to add that dark wave isn't that big in hamburg any more. ebm and future pop are. of the 50+ people i know in the gothic scene in hamburg, i don't know a single one who would go and either see clan of xymox or das ich. lights of euphoria on the other hand appeals to the ebm/future pop people, who - as i see it - would not pay to go and see clan or ich. and lights by itself is not likely to justify the expanses for a big line-up of bands. you could do checks in various german goth boards and see what those people think of your line-up. i am affraid you will be disapointed :?
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100% agree
Elysium:
unfortunately we missed the deadline for both Zillo and Orkus by 2 days ;(
i see know how important these forums are in Hamburg
it's a pity i didn't find my way here until very late
i have to agree with all of you that hamburg is a very different scene to any i've promoted in or partied in before
in London the are 2 groups - 1 who go only to gigs and festivals, and 1 who go only to clubs and parties
in Sweden a festival is an outdoor campsite full of drunken vikings
otherwise people go only to parties
in Berlin bands like Clan of Xymox and Das Ich play ALONE to sold out venues, and still there's enough people left over to fill other clubs
in Leipzig everyday is WGT
we wanted a mixed crowd at Elysium, so we chose Lights of Euphoria, and Elusive to draw people who were into musik other than darkwave
but we didn't want to get too elektro and collide with Out of Line
which would be bad for both fests
im glad you mentioned the ticket price, do you think 20 EUR is too high for such a fest?
in Sweden we pay 100 or more for festival tickets, even if the bands suck
in the UK you have to pay people to drag themselves away from the tv
if we could be sure 800 + would turn up, then we could take 18,50 for tickets, the fewer the people, the higher the tickets have to be to break even - it sucks, but that's the sucky world of economics
Markthalle can take 1200 in the Grosse Saal
it costs 2700 EUR total to hire the venue including sound & lighting and all staff + VAT
hotel rooms and catering for 5 bands and crew (30 persons) = another 2000 EUR
Travel = 2000 EUR
Promotions 1500 EUR
Merchandise (T-shirts, blablabla) 800 EUR
Total Band Fees = 6000 EUR
TOTAL = 15.000 EUR
so 750 people at 20 EUR
at 150 people we take 3000 EUR which barely covers the venue
and we lose 12.000 EUR
and that's bad bad bad
Elysium:
another issue is that we only book bands that we ourselves like
Clan of Xymox and Das Ich are actually friends of ours
so we're a bit biased
also there are plenty of other promoters already doing elektro gigs and fests
and others doing black metal gigs and fests
if we should do a festival with a lineup outside our own taste
then we would do such a fest in a city where 5000 or more would come
and then spend the money on doing fests we like, in a city we like
(we like Hamburg)
kb:
I still don't know how it can be hard to find the Kir.. I just tested typing "kir hamburg" into Google. The first hit was the Kir's website, and two clicks later I had all necessary contact info and the address. Finding out what parties are going on there would have taken me two more clicks at max...
... so whatever ;)
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