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sober:
Jupp, I think that is the problem. you plan your event for 800+ people, and think that so many people will come, just because you think they would.
You need to know the scene in the place where you want to start that event.
Thinking about the last weeks I haven't heard a single Das Ich song on a Party or in a Disco I was. Perhaps you just had the wrong Lineup for the audience in hamburg.

Just saw another thing:
Compare your announcement thread (view and countwise) with some simple Partythreads int he partyboard. There are many pages of posts for our Kir-Saturday that is nearly every Saturday. When feedback for a disco evening is that much better than for a festival, you could have seen earlier, that you wont get 800 people.

Elysium:
Hamburg is a big City,  the second biggest in Deutschland isn't it?

2 million + people?

there should be enough people in the scene to fill a venue, even if half of the scene is at a pajama party, or playing Bingo Lotto

how can anyone not want to see Das Ich?  
their show has more moving parts than the Hamburger DOM

it's true we should spend more time reading the posts in this forum
but not everyone in the scene is posting here

otherwise we would never need any other promotion (which would be much cheaper)

the problem with booking a date for a festival, is that it has to be booked Waaaaay in advance, so almost anything can come up around the same time after the date is set.   promotion is like gambling (esp. goth promotion)

Sober, are you the promoter for Kir?  we had problems finding Kir since it moved to another venue,  we like this club


--- Zitat ---So who was this promotor? Who said this festival would "draw 800+"?
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can you guess why my nick is Elysium?   yes! im the promoter  :idea:

Das Ich draws 1000+ at their solo shows in many cities


in any case, we would be happy breaking even with 600
but not losing money ;((((

it would be easier and save us time just to hand out money in Hamburg,

sober:
Well, I should as if I get some money for spreading out the Word Kir in the world.

I didn't say, that there arent many people in hamburg or that the Dom is better than Das Ich. I don't visit the Dom ;)
All I tried to say is: You are planing with people. I think you need to know the local scene to call numbers of visitors. You need to know how many people hear what music at the moment, what parties and events are in the same timeframe ... i dont believe that you can have those infos without beeing in the scene or have very much infos from "insiders".
When I think about those people I meet often, I cannot name a single person who would choose a festival with Clan of Xymox and Das Ich over a good private Party.

astrogirl:
Well i read quite a bit of this stuff now ...  and as far as i understand u had posters ans flyers and an advertisment at the "szene" magazine ... but nothing in magazines like "orkus" or "zillo" or "sonic seducer" , i think the szene magazine ist not really the best mag to place an advertisment for a goth festival , the readers of that mag are not really the right target group.

And it is a little bit strange that u hab problems to contact the kir people, if u plan an event for more than 800 folks u should do it more professional and i really do not believe that it was impossible to find it /get in contact with the people there.
did u only advertise in hamburg? or also in the citys around like lübeck,flensburg,kiel ... because i dont think that there was a chance to get 800 hamburg people who would enjoy that kind of music ... taste changed an i think hamburg is more ebm than gothic sound like maybe other german cities ...

All in all i think u try to find someone to blame for bad advertisment /planning ....and that i really not fair!

Jinx:

--- Zitat ---Hamburg is a big City, the second biggest in Deutschland isn't it?

2 million + people?

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That' s correct.


--- Zitat ---there should be enough people in the scene to fill a venue, even if half of the scene is at a pajama party, or playing Bingo Lotto

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This is Hamburg, not Berlin. Here it is quite difficult to establish a new festival oder party, due to the fact that there are quite a lot of parties etc. I just remeber the "Maschinensturm" last time... or the party in the pyramid club, which was cancelled after a few weeks, due to a lack of vistors. Besides that, hanseatic people are quite conservative and bombed by flyers on every event, so a different kind of pr might have been helpful.

Your point of view is correct from a mathematical point of view, but regarding the cultural codes here, the fact that just one weekend later there will take place a festival anyway and the poor pr, I think your point of view ist naive. We always welcome fresh ideas and the suggestion anyone did sabotage on your event, is ridiculous.
AND: we have many students and people who are on the dole, they use to think twice whether to spend their money for a festival or for a few parties.



--- Zitat ---how can anyone not want to see Das Ich?
their show has more moving parts than the Hamburger DOM
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Me. I like the band, but I saw them twice and they sort of stick to their stage performance (the one with the moving parts) as much as the Christians to their bible, as it seems. Therefore I did not feel the need to see it for a third time.


--- Zitat ---it's true we should spend more time reading the posts in this forum
but not everyone in the scene is posting here

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No, that is true. But not everyone is reading flyers as well. On every party there are dozens of flyers on the tables, people get a bit tired of reading them.


Regards,

Jinx

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