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Ich fühle mich als Europäer.
EL:
It is so strangely, I waited a several days for somebody, who will object to so provocative stupid characterization for big nation as German with one word "ordnung"! :o :-[
It's a primitive cliche! And all are agreed! Really? I don't want to belive!
Describes whether the word "ordnung" a "mentalitet of nation" or is it the main line of behavior?
No, neither of two. It's really only cliche, which we can hear around.
Concept "mentalitet of nation" is often used in ethnopsychology to describe the nations. I think it's wrong fundamentally!! because mentalitet don't have a national borders and a nation don't have influence to formations an intellection.
There was talking already (Kallisti, Simia....), mentality depends on upbringing (parents, nearest environment...), education (includ languages), socialization, belonging to a religion, cultural influence - music, art, literature, subcultures, etc... + the natural conditions! (climate)).
For example: The boy, brought up in German family somewhere in Mexico or in the free German village near Bilbao, will own an especially intellection - and hence the mentality, which does not coincide with the "traditional Spanish". (if this concept we can to used at all?!) and does not fit the cliche "German mentality". And generally, where is finished "German mentality" and begins the mentality of the Belgian, French or Spanish? Where is finished the language? Don't think that. Don't think the way of thinking of manager in Belgium will different of thinking German manager. Or doktor in Austria will think different than doktor in Germany, France or Sweden. It mean the language isn't fundamental and territorial dividing are inapplicable to concept "mentalitet". More of that, the word "mentality" is not applicable to small areas - a Bavarian, Silesian, etc.(of course, if they not developed in isolation of world as Japanese for exemple) Or do you think the farmer in the neighboring village behind the forest is thinking differently?
In my opinion, the education, socialization and cultural influence are playing bigger role on formation of thinking than area of residence.
Throughout Europe there are the unification of educational programs. Education in German is in general on the same level as the education in France or Holland, different university only added each other.
I didn't search special information on the number of believers and confessional affiliation, but we known, the situation is more or less similar in the whole of Europe and Christianity is the predominant religion there.
I told already about influence general European values on way of the thinking in Europe. I think, it's reasonably for all nations in Europe.
I think, concept "Mentality" is a diffuse phenomen and poured into the culture and everyday consciousness everybody, It is ways of worldviews of people belonging to a particular socio-cultural community, non dependent of nation. It is still in moving and in constant development, as is in moving our own brain, our consciousness.
Evaluate the way of thinking of society - it's as to measure the average temperature in the hospital!.. ;)
Maybe it can to used for a very approximate orientation on a global scale, defining a roughly what we can expect from someone when visiting others continents ( Kenaz was written about that ...), but it would have to use for that the another concepts, which indicate the characteristics of thinking, where they are clearly visible on several grounds - for example: Europeans, Asians, Muslims, Goths, punks etc.
Because of that all, I think the using of the phrase "mentality of nation" unethical!!!
It's imposition of the next cliche only!
Only a human himself has the right to put on one or another "garment" and say: I am German, I am Czech, I am Europeans.
My greetings, EL ;) :D
Black Ronin:
We just didn´t read ! ?
So this is no agreement.
EL:
--- Zitat von: Black Ronin am 17 April 2012, 18:05:23 ---We just didn´t read ! ?
So this is no agreement.
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A small explosion of words! ;D Sorry..
Multivac:
--- Zitat von: EL am 17 April 2012, 17:48:49 ---It is so strangely, I waited a several days for somebody, who will object to so provocative stupid characterization for big nation as German with one word "ordnung"! :o :-[
It's a primitive cliche! And all are agreed! Really? I don't want to belive!
Describes whether the word "ordnung" a "mentalitet of nation" or is it the main line of behavior?
No, neither of two. It's really only cliche, which we can hear around.
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Hey el, before you throw your anger around you should think of the problem between reading some buzzwords and understanding a german text. I (<- me ! ;) ) wrote about the cliche in foreign countries about the Germans - and "Ordnung" belongs to them at first position. If we go on with thinking - foreign persons like you form this cliche - so you 'put the saddle on the wrong horse' waahhhaaaaaa !!! ;D
EL:
--- Zitat von: Multivac am 18 April 2012, 21:07:01 ---
--- Zitat von: EL am 17 April 2012, 17:48:49 ---It is so strangely, I waited a several days for somebody, who will object to so provocative stupid characterization for big nation as German with one word "ordnung"! :o :-[
It's a primitive cliche! And all are agreed! Really? I don't want to belive!
Describes whether the word "ordnung" a "mentalitet of nation" or is it the main line of behavior?
No, neither of two. It's really only cliche, which we can hear around.
--- Ende Zitat ---
Hey el, before you throw your anger around you should think of the problem between reading some buzzwords and understanding a german text. I (<- me ! ;) ) wrote about the cliche in foreign countries about the Germans - and "Ordnung" belongs to them at first position. If we go on with thinking - foreign persons like you form this cliche - so you 'put the saddle on the wrong horse' waahhhaaaaaa !!! ;D
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Be "surprise" and be "angry" are different conditions, and I prefere first definition.
Argument "ad hominum" isn't correct at this case, I think. :o
The main thing in my answer was followed in continuing, I would want to know your comment to my message at whole. ;) :D
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