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[Elysium]

and you think LD sabotaged your party because he feared that there won't be enough coming to the Out of Line festival?

we don't think they have anything to worry about

Take a look at the lineup, you should see yourself that it made for differend audience

yes, exactly!  otherwise we would have changed the date of Elysium

that's why we don't understand why someone should do this

unless someone is angry with Sweden perhaps  :roll:

[Elysium]

why didn't kb have his birthday party at Elysium?  

we have candles

[Elysium]

no promotion was ever removed from Markthalle

that would never work since it was Markthalle who does this promotion

[Elysium]

Ich bin ziemlich entsetzt und sauer über diese Anschuldigungen von Dorian! Diese Anschuldigungen sind infame Lügen! Ich habe nie etwas gegen dieses Festival unternommen und wüßte auch nicht warum ich das tun soll. Wer mich ein wenig kennt, weiß das ich so etwas NIE tun würde!

Ich bin ziemlich sauer und werde, wenn ich aus Berlin zurück bin noch eine ausführliche Stellungsnahme dazu schreiben! Sollte Dorian diese Aussagen nicht zurück nehmen und sich entschuldigen, werde ich wohl meinen Anwalt einschalten müssen!

STINKSAUER
René

i am not the one accusing you René
everyone arround me is feeding me this information

and it hurts!

if you did not do this to us, then i apologise

i have already removed any mention of your name and Living Dead

we just want to know who and why


we've worked so hard on this event for months
and we lost all the money we had in the world

i can't believe that such a thing could happen in hamburg


Dorian

[Anonymous]

I'm really surprised, because I did here from a friend who is living in Flensburg (roundabout 80km in the north of Hamburg) that he was at the Elysium Festival and thought it was asskicking. He also was surprised that many of the sceneguys of Hamburg and the cities around where at "Dark & Mystery Music Night" in Neumuenster to watch/listen to medieval bands than visiting Clan of Xymox or Das Ich.
Well, a large number of Hamburgers is in medieval, too.
Could it be they also where there?
kb (an user in this community) did a birthday sit-in at home and invited a lot of his friends who   visited him.
I'm not from Hamburg and was totally tired this evening, so I didn't drive the 100km to get to this event. An Saturday evening would be much better to me.

And so there will be much more reasons why only a few people where at this festival.

So, if you just heard about this, why do you crosspost these whereever you're able to?
One topic would be enough. We do can read and we do read, particularly when it has a topic like this.
I really can't imagine René would do something like this, he does anything he can do to let the Hamburger scene live and grow. And he wouldn't sabotage partys or festivals of others. Finally, other parties mean some spare time to him

[Elysium]

3 weeks ago we posted this in the forums

http://www.schwarzes-hamburg.com/viewtopic.php?t=676


we asked people to come out to support the scene at both festivals

Szene came out on 26 Okt with an ad for Elysium and a  foto of Das Ich

don't people in the Hamburg scene read Szene and these forums?

no one has been to Marktstrasse and seen the flyers and posters that were everywhere?  

all those people we handed flyers to at Schwarzen Nacht for the past weeks

where were thay?


why did people email Das Ich and ask if it was true that the festival was cancelled?

why did they come to Elysium to check if the festival was really happening
if they never heard about it

everyone knew about it,  but so many thought it was cancelled that they didn't buy tickets, and they didn't show up

if only 1 person said they heard over a PA that the festival was cancelled
we would wonder,  but when 30 people say they heard this...


one of the staff at Markthalle got in our face and told us that RJ was responsible,  this is completely shocking coming from people who are supposed to be friends of RJ

we all feel like we were hit by a train

[Mentallo]

Why don`t you ask the "Grosse Freiheit 36", where the "Schwarze Nacht" is staged?
I think this is the wrong place to get answers to your questions. AFAIK nobody here heard this PA announcement. And if I take a look at your first "Elysium"-Thread, well, nobody answered it.
Im sorry for you and your lost money, but until now I could`t read or hear any evidence for a sabotage. Maybe you just had "bad luck"?

[Elysium]

but here people did reply...

http://www.schwarzes-hamburg.com/viewtopic.php?t=646

we will ask the people at Grosse Freiheit 36 if they know anything


yes it was very bad luck for us

but still a great festival

[sober]

To answer you questions:

I dont read any magazine about the scene
I read this forum
I was in the marktstrasse the last time around 1 and a half year ago
I didn't visit the party in the Große Freiheit.

And, last but not least, I knew about the festival and decidet not to go there.
Perhaps you should realize that you cannot command people to go somewhere. Realize that it can happen, that people don't visit your festival because they don't want to and not, because they didn't know.

[colourize]

if only 1 person said they heard over a PA that the festival was cancelled we would wonder, but when 30 people say they heard this...

Why should anybody say over the PA on friday night "Schwarze Nacht"-Party that Elysium is canceled..? That doesn't make any sense, cause the party starts at 23h..

[Elysium]

it was not the Schwarzen Nacht on Friday

but a mittwoch night

[Elysium]

To answer you questions:

I dont read any magazine about the scene
I read this forum
I was in the marktstrasse the last time around 1 and a half year ago
I didn't visit the party in the Große Freiheit.

And, last but not least, I knew about the festival and decidet not to go there.
Perhaps you should realize that you cannot command people to go somewhere. Realize that it can happen, that people don't visit your festival because they don't want to and not, because they didn't know.

you need to get out more

of course no promoter can demand that people go to an event

but statistically promoters know how many people an event should draw

and Elysium was an 800+ event

it doesn't matter what 1 person's taste is,  it's the taste of the masses

[Mentallo]

Well I was at the last Schwarze Nacht on wednesday, too. There are only a few people on wednesdays. I think you`ve just heard a rumor. Because if really 30 people have heard this announcement, this means that everybody from the wednesday night was at your festival.  :roll:

[sober]

no, you are very wrong.
I meet people from this scene nearly every day.
I go on party 1 or 2 times a weekend.
I just don't go on every festival ;)
oh, and I prefer, like many other people, most private parties or sitins over a disco- or festivalevening.

[Mentallo]

Well, Clan Of Xymox where the main act, right? Well, but they are noch seldom to see.
And I`m not sure if Hamburg has so many Das Ich Fans. So who was this promotor? Who said this festival would "draw 800+"?