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Novocaine:

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when 12.000 EUR are involved then it's a serious issue

whomeever is responsible for sabotaging the festival owes us 12.000 EUR
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Oh, do you know that libel and slander could cost you much more than 12.000 €?

olli:

--- Zitat von: "Elysium" ---Das Ich fans came to check for themselves that there was a Festival
after hearing from the DJ at Schwarzen Nacht that it was cancelled
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the dj at “schwarze nacht” is called andreas, not rené. these two persons are not related business wise.



--- Zitat von: "Elysium" --- they told this to the members of Das Ich

are these people lying? why should they lie?

we do not expect Hamburg to take our word for anything

we can only state was has been told to us by those who claim to know
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as others said before, this is third hand information, which doesn’t prove anything.



--- Zitat von: "Elysium" ---if we are mistaken, then please prove it to us
and we will appologize to René
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nobody has to prove the anything to you, since it is you who is putting up accusations in the first place, hence it is you who has to provide proof. and it is definitely you who will have to appologize to rené.



--- Zitat von: "Elysium" ---are these people lying? why should they lie?
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what do we care? this is a bad world. you can lie all you like and still become american president.



--- Zitat von: "Elysium" ---we were told by this same Markthalle staff that René is involved in all the scene events in Hamburg
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then you were told wrong. there are several events rené has nothing to do with.



--- Zitat von: "Elysium" ---if René was not involved with removing the promotion
then who?
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someone else? perhaps no one? most likely your promotion team, though i do not want to put up accusations that could be wrong.



--- Zitat von: "Elysium" ---whomeever is responsible for sabotaging the festival owes us 12.000 EUR
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sorry about your loss, but posting here is not going to get you back your money, nor is it going to damage rené.

olli:

--- Zitat von: "Elysium" ---i have an idea,  

let's let the Hamburg scene investigate what happened and report back to us


we will accept whatever evidence for or against a conspiracy you can give us


revenge is not in our interest

we just want to know what happened


give us some answers please

meanwhile i will edit out all references to René and Living Dead until some concrete evidence arrises
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sorry again, but we don't have to prove anything to you. it is you who has to supply proof, or else this debate is meaningless

Elysium:
you're absolutely right

so, here is some first hand evidence

Q.  what physical proof exists of sabotage?

1:  Markthalle posters with Elysium date covered over, but not any other event covered over
2:  Elysium posters ripped into pieces or removed completely from walls
3: huge stacks of Elysium flyers vanishing overnight
4. 150 people turn up at the door,  30% claim that they were told the festival was cancelled

livingdead:
Ich bin ziemlich entsetzt und sauer über diese Anschuldigungen von Dorian! Diese Anschuldigungen sind infame Lügen! Ich habe nie etwas gegen dieses Festival unternommen und wüßte auch nicht warum ich das tun soll. Wer mich ein wenig kennt, weiß das ich so etwas NIE tun würde!

Ich bin ziemlich sauer und werde, wenn ich aus Berlin zurück bin noch eine ausführliche Stellungsnahme dazu schreiben! Sollte Dorian diese Aussagen nicht zurück nehmen und sich entschuldigen, werde ich wohl meinen Anwalt einschalten müssen!

STINKSAUER
René

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